Meilin and Bjorn explore the profound connection between humans and nature, emphasizing the healing and wisdom plants offer. They discuss indigenous practices like the Shipibo dieta and using saliva for plant germination. The conversation delves into holistic healing in Tulum, showcasing transformative experiences with plant medicine and the need to integrate insights into daily life for meaningful change.
Enjoy the special shamanic chant of the trees by Bjorn.
(00:14:04) Wisdom of Plant Allies in Healing Arts
(00:16:48) Seasonal Herb Foraging in European Regions
(00:19:20) Saliva-Coated Basil Seeds: Enhancing Plant Connection
(00:28:21) Holistic Healing Practices in Tulum's Community
(00:35:08) Grounding Spiritual Experiences for Personal Development
(00:43:13) Plant Medicines and Shamanic Healing in Mexico
(00:48:36) Harmonizing Through Song with Trees
Bjorn Lestrud's website: https://www.bluedragonhealing.net
Moving to oneness. Nourishing curiosity. Embracing differences. Becoming one.
Everyone, I have a fascinating guest as usual along. But the trees were just calling or screaming through the windows telling me, "oh, ask him later to connect with us and bring our wisdom through". So stay tuned to what the trees have to say.
Hello everyone, I'm Meilin Ehlke and I have with me for you from Wisconsin the place my father is from, Bjorn Lestrud, and he's a young man, who is going to be in many years to be spoken about, from now on and has been already and will be for a long time. So please everyone welcome with me Bjorn to the Moving to Oneness podcast. Hello, Bjorn.
00:01:46 - Bjorn Lestrud
Hi. Thank you for the introduction. Interesting. And often that often get referred to as young man. Even though I look young, I'm 41.
00:01:58 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah. But I believe many of us will live a much longer and suddenly a 40 year old person or being is really still in his teenager years.
00:02:15 - Bjorn Lestrud
(laughing) All right.
00:02:16 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah. And I think age is really not important. It is something that is condensing us at the moment in expressing and unfolding. So, when we think, oh, the restriction of age or where in what generation do I fit in and do I need to be as the others in that generation? It does something with us. It doesn't kindle, I think the creative essence we carry within ourselves.
00:02:56 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah.
00:02:59 - Meilin Ehlke
It's going to be fun to observe you over the next decades, see what unfolds with you. But I would love to share or ask you to share Bjorn, because you have so many things and we'll talk about how you really embody the insights that you get from nature into your sounds and your work. But how did you get to the point where you really found out, that is for you to sound out the frequencies into this world. Because this is really exciting. You went to Mexico but that as a younger man of a young man?
00:03:47 - Bjorn Lestrud
Sure. Well, it's been. I can point to a series of steps and say that there was the first real tangible experience of it. Although when I had that experience I didn't know that it was going to lead to where it is now. But I did go down to Mexico for a while and I had been living around the world. I lived in like 15 different countries over five, six years and I was struggling with some things.
00:04:32 - Bjorn Lestrud
I had, I guess chronic arthritis. I had developed in my knees, so I couldn't even like sit down for more than a couple of minutes without having to stretch my legs just to get some relief. They would just stiffen up so much. And I had chronic Back pain that was quite bad. I mean, I had to see a chiropractor regularly from it. It was from an old accident. And there were some other things too. But I arrived in Tulum and had no intention consciously of doing a spiritual exploration there.
00:05:22 - Bjorn Lestrud
I went there because I had a friend there and I heard that it was kind of cool and hip sort of hippie place. And so my friend got into a little bit of an accident with his toe one day and it was, you know, so it turned so black that it was like a guarantee, okay, that toenail is going to fall off. And multiple people told him, you know, your toenail is going to fall off, right? And so I didn't see him every day. One day, maybe, like, maybe there was a two day period where I saw him. The toe was completely black, looked like it was ready to fall. And then two days passed and I saw him again and he said, you have to come to this light portal ceremony that I went to. It healed my toe. And I looked down his toe and his toe is completely normal, no discoloration whatsoever. Toenail fully intact. Like, what is going on here? So I went to this ceremony out of just real curiosity.
00:06:42 - Bjorn Lestrud
The light portal was a blend of different shamanic traditions and different lineages. And so there were. It was a very dynamic thing. There was biodynamic breath work, shamanic drumming, enchanting going on. There was physical bodywork like myofascial organ release type of work happening, among other things.
And this little tiny woman from this like ancient Muslim lineage of healers, she came over and she started digging her fingers into my body. And it hurt really bad. And then I just. I just did everything I could not to scream. And then. But a lot of people were screaming. And then the next thing I know, I just start laughing, uncontrollable laughter. And it was like this very deep laughter that came from a space of myself that I knew, but I yet wasn't familiar with. So I thought, well, I need to explore this further. And so I set up a private session with two of the four facilitators from that ceremony. They were partners, Ina and Jose. And they came to my apartment. And Ina, the small woman that was working on me, digging her fingers in, she worked on me for like an hour and a half, working on blockages and different things. And then the three of us sat after, she worked on me and talked about what she interpreted of what she saw.
00:08:40 - Bjorn Lestrud
And she told me, well, you know, you have this from fear and anger from your father's side. And this from your mother's side. And then I saw a guy. I saw a jaguar animal guide. And I also saw shaman, Native American shaman, guide. And then the next part of the private session was 'meet your guides'. And so Jose, her partner, served me a plant medicine called hapé.
00:09:27 - Bjorn Lestrud
So hapé.
00:09:28 - Meilin Ehlke
What is it?
00:09:29 - Bjorn Lestrud
It's known by some people as shamanic snuff. So you can serve it to yourself through something like this a pipe, where you would blow through one end and. Or you have a tepe, which is a longer curve device. Then one person serves it to the other. And so it's tobacco. Most of the hapés, the strongest part of the base is tobacco. First of all, they're made by the different indigenous groups that are from the Amazon. And they're generally made with certain prayers and prayer songs and certain energies. But then they also incorporate other plant elements.
00:10:21 - Bjorn Lestrud
Sometimes it's ashes from a ceremonial fire. It's common to use a bark from a Tsunu tree and other things. Depends on the hapé. There are many kinds. Anyways, he served me this hapé. And then he had these maracas, shakers, you know, and he started shaking them in my ears. And then he's just making these little chanting sounds. And I don't know, something. I wouldn't say snapped inside of me, but something started moving.
00:10:54 - Bjorn Lestrud
And next thing I know, I'm chanting and I can't stop it. It doesn't feel good, though. It felt traumatic, like I was carrying the weight of the world, like, through me. And then I got sick, purged. And I was laying on the ground for several hours after that. But the next morning, I noticed that all the pain in my knees was gone and hasn't come back since. So that was kind of the beginning.
00:11:46 - Meilin Ehlke
So it's kind of initiation, right? Where you really saw that you weren't walking your purpose, in a way. If it's the legs or knees, often, and we don't walk it. Sometimes we don't even know, because we don't grow up in a civilization or in a culture where, you know, older people see or the older ones of the tribe or the community, who we are, how we are born, right? So many of us healers in the European structures where so many have died or been murdered or removed for the last 2,000 plus 3,000 years, maybe already, it is hard to identify what we are. We have to find examples. And I think all of your travels brought you to this place. So it's. It's like a spiral. So. And then that was like the bottle opener. So I'm happy you followed intuitively your urge or your quest to find yourself. So fantastic. Thank you.
00:13:01 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah, that was. That was actually quite difficult and I didn't want to go near hapé for a while after that. Now I love it.
00:13:15 - Meilin Ehlke
Now you love what? The singing or living or you love living or you love.
00:13:21 - Bjorn Lestrud
I also love the hapé medicine.
00:13:23 - Meilin Ehlke
Okay.
00:13:24 - Bjorn Lestrud
It's the one of the things I work best with because I like working with different plants. And hapé is like a plant ally. It's not something that, you know, there are plants like psychedelics where a person takes it because they want to have this big visionary experience and see their life from a 30,000 foot view and understand the whole world. And that hapé is much more physical. I mean there's the spiritual component, but it's much more through the biology. And so I really like that.
00:14:04 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah, you use the word ally and I think that is very important to distinguish. It's not like an event and that is over. It is. You create a relationship, you begin to relate. It goes into. In a way it synchronizes with you and supports you in unfolding whatever is in you. Right? In that respect, plans are way ahead of us. We fell out a little bit out of the choir or the sounds of the world, the one light, the one sound and plants and animals are in it. And we're being all led now to move back into that and to learn who we are and recognize that we're able to do so much more than we have experienced or been told.
00:15:05 - Bjorn Lestrud
There is a. I'm not sure where it comes from, but there's a way of one culture, the way that they actually refer to plants, it actually means those beings that take care of us.
00:15:18 - Meilin Ehlke
Ah yes, that fits wonderful. Oh, I like that.
00:15:24 - Bjorn Lestrud
And there's also traditions with indigenous especially the Shipibo people tradition which is a very long lineage from the Amazon. They do often what is referred to as a 'dieta'. So they have different specific plants that they do this with and they call them master plants. But you can also do a dieta with a plant that's not a master plant. But basically they'll follow certain dietary rules and certain behavioral rules. Like you know, no sex, you can't eat sugar, you know, little to no salt, things like that. And you'll work with a particular plant. So maybe like one common way is that the person will take like the bark or the leaves of a plant and then they'll make a tea in the evening and they'll work with the plant over a period of time, maybe a month, maybe three months, and get to know the plant and go deeper and deeper and really immerse with the plant. And it's a very powerful thing. I've done three of them now myself.
00:16:48 - Meilin Ehlke
You know, what comes to mind while you were speaking is if I look at the now in the colder regions here of Europe, how we can do that as well. We're big tea drinkers to take a certain tea plant, drink it and they're not so much written, but it's coming back. People are again very interested what the herb women. Yeah. Have brought out because they became less and less and less and women especially, but also there are men going again on walks and figure out which herbs they can eat. There's a person who heals cancer by eating herbs, for example. We stay with the herbs. You go into relationship and some are very seasonal. So you do like in like a six week period when they're in season or sometimes when they carry a fruit or flower, whatever it is, and you drink it and it does something for your body. Maybe it cleanses or it nourishes you or it heals a certain organ. And this is important to look around wherever you live out there, what herbs are from your region and are you eating seasonal. Yeah. And if we do get plants from somewhere else that we really cherish, that it's an extra experience.
I don't know when I was younger, I can remember when suddenly, you know, there was this influx of fruits coming from other continents as well in warmer regions which were before rather rare. Now you can find them everywhere. But that we go into relate in conversation also if in what we eat and ask maybe your food or whatever you drink, do I need to drink you or eat maybe for a little time longer. So just a little tip to explore the plants that you already know. Please go on Bjorn.
00:18:59 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah. And basil, for example, has a lot of similar properties to one of the master plants the Shipbo people work with called bobinsana. And so you could for example, do a dieta with basil and I'm sure it would have some very positive effects.
00:19:20 - Meilin Ehlke
Oh I learned once from the Anastasia books something she wrote in there, you take the basil seeds or any seeds that you plant into your mouth and let the salvia coated until it gets like a coat. It develops really quickly, a coat. For different seeds it takes a little longer. But what happens in that moment, it recognizes what is missing in your body and then you can plant them also. The seeds germinate much better because they already got that certain coat that we gave them. And also it's beautiful to walk barefoot then wherever you put the seeds in. And maybe also, you know, use your hands, you stump it with your feet, because again, it can sense so much of what is missing in a human body. And it will bring that to you later. So it's. Thank you for reminding me with the basil seeds. Because I tried it on a balcony at that time I didn't have a garden, but I did in a pot outside and I did it, put it in the mouth and then I planned. I even put my foot in there. Yeah. And so it nurse. And now I have it outside. It's a whole different story. But that does help if you don't have a garden.
00:20:38 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah. So one thing I. This isn't about planting seeds, but you mentioned putting them in your mouth so that you connect with them and then it knows what you need. So, I recently did some work with a plant called Chiricaspi from Colombia. Well, it's an Amazonian plant and I had a tincture and some leaves for making a tea. So the tincture, what I would do before I would take it is open it and blow into it, so that it could understand me before I put it inside of me.
00:21:23 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah. To give it time. I love that, Bjorn. It is giving time. Or in a way, it's 'Achtung'. It's not respect, it's. I'm looking for another word, but acknowledgment. You acknowledge what you are doing so that you relate to it. You acknowledge. And then acknowledgement comes back, or the exchange of wisdom. Right. We sometimes go to a tree and hug it or sit against it, but we forget sometimes to do it this way.
From the Asians, I remember, they put their hands over their food before they eat it or even when they come back from shopping. They put everything on the table and they called it blessing. But in a way it's exactly that. We give loving and give loving energy to the food and it gives it back and then it goes into us. It's like going forward and back.
00:22:20 - Bjorn Lestrud
That plant gave a lot to me.
00:22:22 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah, I bet. What did it give to you? Can you share?
00:22:28 - Bjorn Lestrud
Sure. I worked with it for four weeks. The first three days or so were very physical. I went through like deep in the guts and I felt I had some indigestion, it made me super tired. I went to bed early. After the first three days that all that had stopped. And then the emotional Purging started. It was. It was a little bit like being rocked like a baby by this plant. So it was bringing up emotion to be cleared emotional charge. But it took all of the difficulty out of it. So I could sit and just cry or whatever and not feel the least bit of pain in the process of doing it. So. And so constantly, you know, the way I work with my guides, very physical is, you know yourself as well. So when I release emotional charge, I always feel it like chills. You could call it the spiritual chills. When I exhale, I feel a whole all the way through my body. A wave of like a tingling sensation, but through the whole body. And so this was happening constantly for probably a week, all the time, every day crying or just charge release. And then after that, for a couple of weeks, I just started connecting deeper with the plant. And then when I went off of it, definitely it made some permanent changes in me. I just have less fear than before, I guess is this most simple way of putting it.
00:24:40 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah. And you're more sturdy about what you act on. Or you believe more of what you are, and you bring that out into the world. So less fear. This is beautiful. I think that's what many people desire. Right? To follow what they think. I think the biggest fear often that I notice, and maybe you've noticed it's hard I've experienced myself, is to act on what you think is right and to not be afraid. So the people that are not so afraid about that depends how they grew up. They're rather lucky. So it's nice to have a plan that supports to acknowledge what one is.
00:25:34 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah. And a big part of the healing process for myself. Since I really initiated, as we talked about before, has been actually moving through a birth trauma that I experienced. I never realized how much that would affect me, but wow, it did a lot.
00:26:06 - Meilin Ehlke
Yes. I think it's one of the biggest traumas does when it didn't come smooth with love, without medication, I don't know. There are just so much things that are put into women if they don't choose a natural birth. The fear of mother. My mother also had a traumatic birth of myself too. Right. So, a lot of cells burst, now I walk different because of a birth trauma.
But that also put me on a path Bjorn, to really find out who I am. And we both had trauma or let us call it differences. It is what lets us recognize then later, how we're healing. You can see how a change happens. Right. We can explore on our own bodies. For example, then when I channel or dance a channel, I don't limp. So that gave me the little oomph or the belief, oh my God, I did channel. First of all, it was another being who I danced. And that the body can transform so quickly. And you told that story now in a few ways for your friend, for yourself, that there is possibility that is being told is not possible, but it is possible. And we can use our own body to rewrite what we've heard in our life and be an example. And I think we all, or especially healers, we want to be an example or spiritual people to others without having always to say so much. And then the body shows everything directly and fast.
00:28:21 - Bjorn Lestrud
Yeah. You know, when you talk about the body and what it shows, you talk about healers. When I live in the Place Tulum, you know, it's known as a spiritual community. So while there's a lot of different healing modalities being offered and there's, you know, from yoga, Reiki, breath work of all different kinds, different plant medicines, you name it, I also noticed that there's a disconnect as well with having an experience, a spiritual experience and grounding it. It happened to me as well, a form of, I guess you could call it spiritual ego. That seems to really take hold and it's very easy to start identifying with some things that can really slow down the develop development of a person. Does that bring up anything for you?
00:30:37 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah, we go more into our mind and let our body not move forward. That happens. Right. If we can want to intellectually express it becomes very difficult, because how can you express something to someone intellectually that maybe has not had that experience? Right. That's why I believe it's so important to take people through their own experiences. And for everybody it's a little different. And it is hard to comprehend. Even when we do sometimes ceremonies, it's hard to explain and you have to wrap your intellect around it. But once you do a ceremony or ritual, then it becomes so logic. And I mean not logic, it becomes so easy and it's oh yes, oh, now this. And you go into a flow and it's like you have done it before and before, but it's hard to explain later to others. So, that's why I think the more people open up.
And that's what I liked about you. I thought you were, you are very courageous in exploring your body. You're courageous in trying out things. You're courageous in traveling, exploring other countries. You keep on exploring. That's a huge curiosity also. So your courage is driven by curiosity.
One of my biggest wishes, Bjorn, is that others open up to that. And we do not read about it maybe a little bit to get us curious and want to explore it, but to go out and test and try.
And since how can I sing, how can I hear nature speak with me? How can I sense nature? How does it feel alike?
Family had this interest, for example, in plants. Where does it come from? For me, beginning to ask these questions and we start to open and widen and the body physically changes. And it's always the awareness of the ourselves, awareness of everything around us, the awareness of our ancestors. Right.
It fills us up. It. It opens us up. You can sense it's not this ugh, right? And we are that. And in that state, when you then want to go to the intellect and explain, it doesn't. And sometimes we have experiences, but it takes a few years to understand. It's also that it has to change in your body. We need a few other experiences to comprehend what has happened. Right? If you have an extreme experience suddenly, because it comes out of the blue and it throws around everything that you have lived, so you cannot just discharge the 20 years behind you. The 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years. Yeah. And then also I believe, as we acknowledge and embody it in our body, then the environment has to change. And our family, our colleagues, maybe our workplace, there is so much. It's a very complex thing and we are a piece of it.
And it's like. I used the word bottle opener. It opened the bottle and was like, you have your bottle of champagne that was under pressure. Right? But for everyone it's different. You have to be then also patient? So it's a complex way. And I wish people would just exhale, visit and inhale and be patient. And we don't have to explain too much. It's important that we share how we feel, how I feel, how you feel, and then everything works out. And it takes time. It. It takes time.
00:35:08 - Bjorn Lestrud
The body itself has so much wisdom already. Yeah, just going up and then getting caught here and missing the integration here is like missing the best part.
00:35:36 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah, it is. It's this best part of seeing yourself and the journey. Oh, it's enjoying the journey from the top to come down. The connection. Because we are connected to everything and we are in different energy centers. Or stages or we're different light or the connection to the earth. You know, there's always we're somewhere else and just enjoying that journey, wherever it may be.
00:36:10 - Bjorn Lestrud
Thing are recoming down here, you know, to center is like, that's where a lot of pain is too. And I use sort of a model and I came up with this. It's not perfect, but it allows me to be flexible in how I think about transformation and healing. Call it the primal path and the path P A T H each stands for a stage. But it's not this, this, this, this and you're done. It's more like these things are always happening all the time in different levels and interrelating to one another. And it starts with person wants to, you know, get past where they are and something more. And so they first have to acknowledge the pain that is there. Pain, you know, and feel it. And once we feel the pain, we can have an awakening, an insight, something new has room to come in, right?
00:37:24 - Meilin Ehlke
Yes.
00:37:24 - Bjorn Lestrud
But with an awakening, it's a, a one off. It's not a permanent shift. There can be permanent aspects to it, of course. And so to me, the stage of transformation is learning how to create, turn that awakening into a repeatable process through practice. So for me, I, I do a lot of different things that work for me in my daily practice. You know, I use sound in different ways, whether it's through my own chanting, listening to biofield tuning, I do qigong, different things that I do, or sometimes I do my dietas or whatever. Right. Practices.
And then the last element heritage, which is to me like the supercharger for the whole thing, is this like, all right, but what are you doing all this for? If you're just doing it for yourself because you want to feel good or look good, then it's only going to take you so far. Right. And so if you can see beyond that, connect with something beyond yourself and see it as a way that, hey, I have actually something here that I can bring forward. That's my unique expression and I can bring that out and share with others. Then it supercharges all those different parts. You start to feel your pains more, but they bother you less. You start to have more and more awakenings and you begin to transform a different way in a. You know, because it's beyond yourself and you see connecting with such a greater force.
00:39:24 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah. That's in my experience, you come, then if you keep on going and I always say I cannot not do, there's an inner drive. Since I'm a little to do certain things, I'm still going there and I cannot not be me. Right. So I think many healers have that and others that do it for themselves. It's a start until it comes out. Because we all have a strong purpose why we here on this earth at this, at this time. So it does come out. And as you do more and more, there comes suddenly the moment. Or you have rituals or experience experiences where you suddenly create realities that maintain themselves. Then you don't have to do that work anymore. You just notice. Oh my God. Oh, this is happening. This is happening. Oh, I thought about this a few years or just a moment ago, and it happens. And you see that how the whole life translates in a way. Visions I had as a little girl happened, things that I thought a moment ago happen. And they have to do not just with myself, but with everything that surrounds me that is fascinating.
So everyone keep on going and sometimes pull back and take time for yourself. If you have something, then again for the world, bring it out into the world. It's the feelers. Stay true to yourself. Go in the tempo that you desire. And yes, find beautiful ways. Like what Bjorn was just speaking about, finding ways to raise and hold what you have experienced. Like qigong, energy work. Right. There are many other ways. There's tai chi, martial arts. They're all based on moving energy through the body. Yeah.
Chanting, using our voice. And Bjorn, you said, how many people are tight in the chest. I remember that from myself when I started with the Koreans. The first thing that we started tapping on the chest, or just pushing just below our breasts, you know, where the rib cage ends and pushing in there and how tight it is. Especially women are, not so much the men are tight there. And it hurts. But you keep on the pressure and you dance a little bit, you movement, you put warm energy maybe on it. And it slowly softens. And then we can expand also our ribcage, our organs get more space. But also the voice can come out in a different way. Women drop a little bit in their tone. Men sometimes get a little bit higher and then they speak their true voice or begin to sing again and express their own truth. It all moves together. So even if you do something here and turn it up, it reacts maybe somewhere else. Right. If you massage your head, your toes and foot can relax. So so much is connected and we're learning about it. And I've learned about by trying a new thing, Bjorn, also by exploring. What did you notice happened with your voice? Well, it makes you laugh. So it is all about you. Now your uniqueness comes through.
00:43:13 - Bjorn Lestrud
In Tulum, when I was there in Mexico, and I was doing some work with plant medicines there and some other modalities, but there was a strong plant medicine theme. And I at one point, was introduced to a medicine called the bufo alvarez. It's connected to the secretion of a toad, apparently. Anyways, you had two facilitators, and it was a private session, and so you'd smoke it. So I would be sitting straight up, taking it in. And then they told me, you know, just put your arms up and fall back. And I had set an intention before that session, that what I wanted to do was open my third eye more, see more.
So I took the medicine and, you know, immediately for me, that medicine instantly put me into a bliss state. So, I mean, even as I'm falling back, I'm making this sound like, ahhhh. So I'm laying on my back and I suddenly feel this really sharp digging, like it's almost like someone was taking their fingernails and digging, like, deep into the center of my forehead. It hurt. The next thing I know, there's this explosion of blue light everywhere. And I'm still laying on my back. And this song just erupted through me, this beautiful song. And I mean, I was so tranced out. There was no mind at all involved with it, you know, and it just happened through me. But it wasn't just that was a beautiful song. It was the elements of my voice that it unlocked. All of a sudden, I went from this quite limited range, not terrible range, to this very dynamic range where my voice could go high, quite high, very low. And all these different voices started coming out as well, different expressions of singing within the ranges. And that was an opening for me.
And now, since then, I've used my practice with singing as a way to integrate the insights that I get downloaded through my body. So an example is I went last year in December to meet this Mayan abuelo, who's also down in Mexico, and he's this revered spiritual teacher. You know, abuelo in Spanish means grandfather, but it's also a term of endearment and also can be used, like, in Mayan communities to describe, like, the elder, who's kind of the one that's really looked up to and so forth. And he had been initiated from a young age with a practice called aputsia, very physical transfer of energy. And so I received aputsia when I was there, had this wild experience the same evening afterward where literally the entire environment around me transformed. And I saw it differently and felt it differently. And then when I went back over the next few weeks, I didn't really notice much change. But then one evening when I was doing a chant, like a performance, not just for myself, but for other people, this totally new type of sound came through. And I realized that that had come through as a result of the integration of that experience that I had.
00:48:36 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah, you know, I had a similar experience too. It suddenly, bang, there was my sound, my song. I remember the first time, it was at the trade show, a spiritual trade show. I don't know, I strolled through something and I had come back and my friend and a man said, "You're totally out of your body". To make the story short. And then and my friend who invited me to stay with her while she had her booth, they both took each one hand, I don't know, and then mentioned, I sang and I must have sung almost half an hour. They said, ah, so many people came by and whatever, and you know, cameras took pictures, the TV was there. And I said, oh my God. And I was surprised. And then later people came and asked if I could sing for their children. I did.
But then afterwards I couldn't sing for anyone else. I had only then the courage to sing for the trees. And I thought, okay, the wind I can sing to when it comes. And also now I sing, so many beings, myself, people that are living, from the star nations, older societies. I've sung many tree species. And it is a beautiful gift because then what the right thing always comes for the right person, for the right topic, or what desires to be or needs to be changed in that, transformed in that a moment, or being brought to this earth.
And the sound is so beautiful because sometimes also words come along from different languages. And then I'm surprised that someone from Africa said, oh, you sang our tribes language. Whoops. Another one woman said once, yeah, it's Polish. And then I sang that. But it took time and encouraged to start singing it to people. And sometimes I'm at home and I sing. I sing while I carry the laundry downstairs. Because I sing then for the world.
Yeah, but it was a journey to freely just open up. Especially because I was told once in school I couldn't sing and it hurt me. They threw me out of music class. And you had to take two years of music? The last 12th and 13th grade. Okay, I was a rebel, I remember. But so it was even a bigger oxymoron for myself after being told how my voice is horrible and that I couldn't sing or speak. And also being Dyslexic. Right. It's like too many things I. I couldn't use the voice for. And then look what I'm doing now. I'm singing. I have had a radio show and a podcast.
For everyone when it comes through whatever you supposed to do. Like for Bjorn, when suddenly all his arthritis was gone so he can feel how a body can transform. Or when Bjorn's voice suddenly came out and is unstoppable now and opens up to more and more beings and singing the voice.
Never forget, also your voice and your wisdom comes through sometimes as well, or is in a duet. Right. Because they're collaboratives. And I think I would love to invite more and more people to sing to experience exactly that. Because we also become so happy when we sing.
Have you experienced that you have sung a tree? But because at the beginning of the show, the tree did ask what comes through for you, for the audience, what is important, that is for you to be expressed now.
00:52:56 - Bjorn Lestrud
Is this a question?
00:53:02 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah.
00:53:05 - Bjorn Lestrud
Can you repeat?
00:53:05 - Meilin Ehlke
It really is not a question. It is like you got, what is it, homework to do. The trees did say you have something to bring for them to the world. So the plants are always fully behind you. You're encircled by many. You have many beings around you, the shamans from many cultures and different worlds. So what is it? It's primal. I know that.
00:53:38 - Bjorn Lestrud
What is it that you're trying to understand the message?
00:53:41 - Meilin Ehlke
No, what you have for the audience to share that the tree wanted you to share.
00:53:47 - Bjorn Lestrud
You want me to actually to...
00:53:52 - Meilin Ehlke
Say something maybe that you would have not said?
00:53:55 - Bjorn Lestrud
Well, the best way I know to bring forward that sort of information, I'll just do like a very, very short chant.
00:54:06 - Meilin Ehlke
Okay, wonderful.
00:54:08 - Bjorn Lestrud
But I'm gonna need to make a quick adjustment to the audio, so that we can move it to high sound on musician.
00:54:19 - Meilin Ehlke
Yes, good idea.
00:54:20 - Bjorn Lestrud
High fidelity music mode. And since you mentioned plants specifically, what I am going to do is connect with one physically. I will take the Mint Dream hapé from the Kuntanawa. We'll connect with that and then I'll bring forward a very short little chant. And I'll bring my buffalo drum, which is next to me here. So I'll use that and my voice. So once I take the hapé, I'm gonna just sit in silence for maybe 30 seconds to a minute, and then I will start.
00:55:20 - Meilin Ehlke
Okay.
00:55:26 - Bjorn Lestrud
And if everyone would join me in three collective breaths. In through the nose, out through the mouth, just to surrender. [breathing]
[speaking spiritual language][sounding]
01:02:28 - Meilin Ehlke
Wonderful. Thank you. That was a beautiful gift for all of us.
01:02:33 - Bjorn Lestrud
Thank you.
01:02:34 - Meilin Ehlke
For myself, for yourself as well. And wow. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And I think everyone, I want to leave you a little bit in this beautiful energy. I will ask though, Bjorn, how you can get in touch with him? How can people reach you best, Bjorn?
01:03:01 - Bjorn Lestrud
Through my website, bluedragonhealing.net
01:03:09 - Meilin Ehlke
Yeah.. So everyone, I will put it in the notes as well. The blue energy and the dragon energy behind you. That is always something I could feel. That's also how I got connected to you. There's a way of I recognized what beautiful light you're bringing through and your gift is fantastic.
But we're all such great beings and you are an inspiration to many to open up, to become more courageous, to follow their curiosity, to move forward, to show themselves with the world, Bjorn. And your an icon just for that. Because you do what yo is, what you desire and also what is needed for you. And you go for it and explore it. You go on that adventure.
Everyone follow his footsteps. Nudge yourself a little bit forward to explore a little bit more about yourself or other cultures, what they have maybe the missing link for you. We're so mixed, all of us. Our DNA is so mixed on this planet. And maybe sometimes even the star nations are in there as well with their DNA. So go out into the world, find your voice, express it, play with it, sing it, drum it. Try the plants.
Bjorn, maybe a last sentence for everyone that you want to share with the audience.
01:05:02 - Bjorn Lestrud
May the winds of being fly through us all.
01:05:08 - Meilin Ehlke
Hmmm. Yes. Be who you are and be with everything that is around you and within you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. So greetings to Wisconsin. Wisconsin is in my heart, in my blood, and may it be carried by the wind around the globe and beyond.
So everyone, be who you are. Play with the wind. Sing it out into the wind and enjoy yourself. Bye bye everyone and thanks for being here.
01:05:51 - Bjorn Lestrud
Thank you for having me.